Salvation:
can we lose it?
Specifically, the gospel is explained by Paul in 1 Cor. 15:1-4: "Now I
make known to you, brethren, the gospel which I preached to you, which
also you received, in which also you stand, by which also you are
saved, if you hold fast the word which I preached to you, unless you
believed in vain. For I delivered to you as of first importance what I
also received, that Christ died for our sins according to the
Scriptures, and that He was buried, and that He was raised on the third
day according to the Scriptures." ...
..."According to the scriptures" doesn't mean "because the New
Testament says so". Paul did not have the New Testament. What Paul meant
was "Just like the old testament said, according to all prophecies
concerning His Birth and Purpose."
The gospel comes from God (Gal. 1:10-12), is the power of God for
salvation (Rom. 1:16), is a mystery (Eph. 6:19), and is a source of hope
(Col. 1:23), faith (Acts 15:7), life (1 Cor. 4:15), peace (Eph. 6:15)
and is a gift from God through faith by grace. Eph 2:8-9 says "For by
grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves:
it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Grace is undeserved favor. It is different than Justice and Mercy.
Justice is getting what we deserve. Mercy is not getting
what we deserve. Grace is getting what we do not deserve. In
grace we get eternal life, something that, quite obviously, we do not
deserve. But because of God's love and kindness manifested in Jesus on
the Cross, we receive the great blessing of Salvation.
Grace rules out all human works. It is the
product of God that is given by God, because of who He is not because of
who we are or what we do. It is the means of our salvation (Eph. 2:8-9).
We are no longer under the Law, but under grace (Rom. 6:14). (See
1 Cor. 15:11;
Rom. 5:2,
15-20;
2 Cor. 12:9; and
2 Cor. 9:8).
And because I will spend most of this page supporting the idea that
nothing we do can cause us to lose our salvation, I will start out first
with the scriptures that some people use to support the opposite idea.
The only bad thing about believing that you can lose your salvation is
that Satan uses this idea to keep God's kingdom ineffective. Churches
who believe that spend all their time trying to 'keep' their salvation
instead of standing strong in their eternal security and going out and
doing the work that He has for us.
Let me also say, that if we are living a Godly life- even if we are
TRYING to live a Godly life, this should not really be an issue. It
certainly should not be something that divides a church. The only time
this topic of conversation has any weight to it is if we aren't living
our life right. And if we aren't living our life right then the last
thing we need to be doing is worrying about what someone else believes.
And finally- I have not prayed or read my Bible hardly at all in the
last year. So this is not just an argument against what someone else
believes, this is my experiment to decide if I am saved or not right
now, because many would argue that I am not. And here are some of the
scriptures they would use for their argument. but I will argue that this
hard time has been a real blessing to me and necessary for me to grow-
In other words I am still in His perfect Will for my life, the one that
doesn't change no matter what I do...
If we DEFILE THE TEMPLE, THE BODY, HE WILL DESTROY
US! (1 Cor. 3:16-17; 6:19-20; Heb. 12:15)
If we OBEY
SIN we will DIE spiritually! (Romans 6:16-23).
By NOT
ABIDING IN THE FAITH we shall be cut off! (Romans 11:11-32).
By being
REMOVED FROM Christ! (Gal. 1:6-7).
By becoming
ENTANGLED AGAIN with the yoke of bondage! (Gal. 5:1).
By FALLING
FROM GRACE! (Gal. 5:4). CHRIST BECOMES OF NO EFFECT FOR US!
By WALKING
AFTER THE FLESH and not the Spirit! (Romans 8:1; 8:4; 8:12-13; Gal.
5:10, 20).
By not
keeping your body under and becoming a CASTAWAY. (1 Cor. 9:27).
By ERRING
FROM THE FAITH. (1 Tim. 6:9-10, 21).
By DEPARTING
FROM THE FAITH! (1 Tim. 4:1).
By having
your faith OVERTHROWN! (2 Tim. 2:17-18).
By CASTING
OFF your faith! (1 Tim. 5:11-15; 6:19-21; 2 Tim. 2:17;, 18; 4:10).
If we DENY HIM, HE WILL DENY US! (2 Tim. 2:12).
These are some scriptures referencing what one may or may not think is
"loss of salvation". So in this writing I will start of by assuming that
in order to discuss losing salvation, we must agree that one has
actually been saved because that is often an argument I hear from
people- "well they probably weren't really saved to begin with, that's
why they never got baptized and continued in sin". So let us look at all
the things that the Bible says we receive when we are 'saved'. Do we
lose SOME of them, ALL of them?
1. Efficacious Grace: God the Holy
Spirit makes our faith effective for salvation. Eph 1:13; 2:8-9; 2
Cor 6:1-2
2. The Sealing Ministry of God the Holy Spirit:
Eph 1:13-14
a. Born of the Spirit: Joh 3:36
b. Baptized with the Spirit: Act 1:5; 1
Cor 12:13; Gal 3:26-28; Eph 4:5
c. Indwelt by the Spirit: Joh 7:39; Rom
5:5; 8:9; 1 Cor
d. Sealed by the Spirit: 2 Cor4 1:22; Eph
4:30
e. Given spiritual gifts: 1 Cor
12:11,27-31; 13:1-2
3. An Eternal Inheritance: Heb 9:15; Eph
1:14; 1 Pet 1:4; Col 1:12
4. Regeneration: Joh 3:5-16; Tit 3:5;
Joh 13:10; 1 Cor 6:11
a. Born Again: Joh 3:7; 1 Pet 1:23
b. A child of God: Gal 3:26
c. A son of God: Joh 1:12; 2 Cor 6:18; 1
Joh 3:2
d. A new creation: 2 Cor 5:17; Gal 6:15;
Eph 2:10
5. Eternal Life: Rom
8:1,31-32,38-39; Gal 3:26-28; 2 Tim 2:11-13; 1 Joh 5:11-13; 3:15;
10:29-28; 20:31; Col 1:13b; 2 Cor 5:17; 1 Pet 1:5; 1 Cor 12:21
6. The Imputed Righteousness of God: The
believer is made acceptable to God: Rom 3:22a; 2 Cor 5:21
a. Made righteous (imputation): Rom 8:15;
8:23 (future); Eph 1:5
b. Sanctified positionally: 1 Cor 1:30;
6:11
c. Perfected forever: Heb 10:14
d. Qualified for inheritance: Col 1:12
7. Resultant Justification: Rom 3:24; 5:1,9;
8:30; 1 Cor 6:11; Tit 3:7; Rom 3:28; Gal 2:16
8. Reconciliation: Barrier removed
between God and man by means of the Lord Jesus Christ: 2 Cor
5:18-20; Rom 5:10; Luk 10:20; Eph 2:13-17,19; Phi 3:20; Col 1:20
9. Beneficiaries of Propitiation: Rom
3:24-25; 1 Jo 2:2; 4:10
10. Unlimited Atonement: 2 Cor 5:14-15,19; 1 Tim 2:6;
4:10; Tit 2:11; Heb 2:9; 2 Pet 2:1; 1 Joh 2:2; Rom 5:6
11. Beneficiaries of Redemption: Eph 1:7; Col 1:14
12. The Baptism of the Holy Spirit: 1 Co 12:13; Gal
3:26-28; Eph 4:5: Act 1:5
13. Created a New Spiritual Species: 2 Cor 5:17; Gal 6:15
14. Entered into the Royal Family of God Forever: Rev 1:6;
Act 1:5; Rom 6:3-4; 12:13; 6:19-20
15. Equal Privilege and Equal Opportunity: Gal
3:26-28
16. Positional Sanctification: Heb 1-2
17. Election: Rom 8:33; Col 3:12-17; 1 Thess 1:4; Tit
1:1; 1 Pet 1:2; Eph 1:3-4
18. Predestination: Rom 8:29-30; Eph 1:5,11
19. The Royal Priesthood
a. A holy priesthood: 1 Pet 2:5
b. A royal priesthood: 1 Pet 2:9; Rev 1:6;
5:10
20. The Royal Ambassadorship: Phi 3:20; 2 Cor 5:20
21. The Indwelling of God the Father: Joh
14:22-23; Eph 4:6; Phi 2:13; 1 Joh 4:15; 2 Joh 1:9
22. The Indwelling of God the Son: Joh 14:20;
17:22-23,26; Rom 8:10; 2 Cor 13:5; Gal 2:20a; Col 1:27
23. The Indwelling of God the Holy Spirit: Rom
8:11; 1 Cor 3:16; 6:19; 2 Cor 6:16
24. The Unique Availability of Divine Power: Eph
6:10; Act 1:8; 2 Pet 1:3
25. The Unique Pre-designed Protocol Plan of God: Gal
5:16; Eph 3:18
26. The Filling of the Holy Spirit: Eph 5:18;
Gal 5:16; Joh 4:24
27. The Distribution of Spiritual Gifts: 1 Cor
12:7,11
28. All Judgment Removed: Joh 3:18; 5:24; Rom
8:1
29. Deliverance from the Kingdom of Satan: Col 1:13a;
2:15
30. Transferred into the Kingdom of God: Rom
6:4; Col 3:1; 1:13b; Eph 2:3
31. We are a Gift from God the Father to God the Son:
Joh 10:19,29; 17:2,6,9,11-12,24; Rev 19:7-10,16
32. We are Delivered from the Power of the Old Sin Nature:
Rom 2:29; 7:14; Joh 8:34,36; 1 Joh 1:9; Phi 3:3; Col 2:11; Eph 4:22
33. We are Given Access to God: Rom 5:2; Eph
2:18; 3:12; 1 Joh 1:9; Eph 5:18; Heb 4:14,16; 10:19-20
34. Removal of the Scar Tissue of the Soul: Isa
43:25; 44:22
35. Escrow Blessings: Eph 1:3
36. We are on a Secure Foundation: 1 Cor 3:11;
10:4; Eph 2:20
37. We are Related to God the Son by Biblical Analogy
a. The last Adam and the new creation: 1
Cor 15:45; 2 Cor 15:17a
b. The head and the body. As body of
Christ, we are in union with the head, the Lord Jesus Christ: Col
1:18a; 12:13
c. The great shepherd and the sheep: Heb
13:20; Joh 10:27-29
d. The true vine and the branches: Joh
15:5
e. The chief cornerstone and the stones in the
building: Eph 2:20-22; 1 Pet 2:5-6
f. The great high priest and members
of the royal priesthood: Heb 4:14a; 1 Pet 2:9a
g. The groom and the bride. Our wedding
occurs at the second advent: Rev 19:6-8; 21:9; Eph 5:25-27
h. The King of Kings and the royal family of
God: Rev 19:14-16
39. Recipients of Eternal Security: Rom
8:1,6,38-39; 6:23; Joh 3:36
40. Beneficiaries of the Problem Solving Devices
a. Rebound: 1 Joh 1:9
b. Filling of the Holy Spirit: Eph 5:18
c. Faith-rest Drill: Heb 4:1,10-11
d. Orientation to Grace: Jam 4:6
e. Orientation to Doctrine: Rom 12:2
f. Personal Sense of Destiny:
Phi 1:21
g. Personal Love for God the Father: Deut
6:5; 1 Pet 1:8
h. Impersonal Love for all Mankind: Jam
2:8
i. Sharing the Happiness of God,
Joh 5:11
j. Occupation with Christ: Eph
3:19
So
have I lost any or all of these? God has provided more than forty things for the
believer at the moment of faith in Christ. You receive these things by
grace; you don’t earn or deserve them. When believers are made aware of
all these gracious gifts after salvation, they are now able to execute their
options for spiritual growth and the glorification of God. These gifts
that we receive are the basis for the glorification of God in the Church Age,
Execution of the pre-designed plan of God, grace orientation, and experiential
sanctification.
So when you look at it this way, it is no small thing to lose your salvation- A
LOT of things have to go away and come back if people believe that you have to
be "RE_saved". But although most people would use Hebrews chapter six as more
evidence that you lose salvation, I tend to have a different take on those
verses. I believe that what 'the writer' was trying to say was exactly the
opposite. He is saying that is is no way to be RE_saved. Christ is not coming
down to be crucified for our sin every time we fall away...but since there were
no chapters and verses when the Bible was written, we need a little bit of
chapter 5 to get the big picture of is being conveyed.Chapter 5 brings up Melchisedec, but in verse 11 the writer speaks of difficulty
to explain the Truth to the Jews because they have been trained up that
repetitive sacrifice is necessary to keep coming back into that positional
sanctification with God/ now Christ. And we move in to chapter six on the basis
that we are moving from 'milk' to meat- in other words, advancing beyond just
the simple Gospel. In fact the first verse precisely says so...
¶ Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine
of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation
of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God, {principles...:
or, word of the beginning of Christ} (KJV)
1 dio ajenteV ton thV archV tou
cristou logon epi thn teleiothta jerwmeqa mh palin qemelion
kataballomenoi metanoiaV apo nekrwn ergwn kai pistewV epi qeon (Textus
Receptus)
So this is a good verse me me to start on because, this is precisely
where I stated I wanted to start. To ASSUME that one is actually saved
and baptized and all that jazz. Verse 2 goes on to reiterate that we are
moving past issues of salvation, which is technically the same statement
so why this has become a separate verse is beyond me...
Heb 6:2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on
of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.
(KJV)
2 baptismwn didachV epiqesewV te ceirwn anastasewV
te nekrwn kai krimatoV aiwniou (TR)
So as we move on assuming one is saved, the very next thing the writer
says is that it is impossible to be RE_saved, and the key is verse 4...
Heb 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were
once enlightened,
and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the
Holy Ghost,
Heb 6:5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the
powers of the world to come, (KJV)
Heb 6:6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance;
seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to
an open shame.
Heb 6:7 For the earth which drinketh in the rain that
cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is
dressed, receiveth blessing from God: {by: or, for}
Heb 6:8 But that which beareth thorns and briers is
rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.
4 adunaton gar touV
apax jwtisqentaV
geusamenouV te thV dwreaV thV epouraniou kai metocouV genhqentaV
pneumatoV agiou (TR)
apax jwtisqentaV
,
or 'once enlightened' is in the Aorist Participle Passive, which
basically tells us that this verbage is referring to a simple
action as opposed to a continuous action, more like "once and for all"
as opposed to "once upon a time" which is how most of us read this
statement. Now a Greek word in the Passive voice means that the subject
receives the action of a verb- i.e., It was nothing we did to become
once-for-all enlightened, God did everything. In other words there is
nothing we can do to gain salvation, and in turn nothing we can do to
lose it, right?
But let's look at "if they shall away", and let us look also at the
expression, "it is impossible" which is linked to the verb anakainizw
which is translated "to renew" in verse 6. In other words it is safe to
say that the intention here is to proclaim that "it is impossible to
renew if they shall fall away". So we must conclude here that either
(1)there is NO HOPE for coming back into salvation, or that (2)the
writer here is stating an understood impossibility from the onset, he is
essentially saying 'from false assumption we deduce absurd conclusions'.
And the writer is about to expound on that false assumption through the
end of verse 8...
Then in verse 9, he states ...
But, beloved, we are persuaded better things of you,
and things that accompany salvation, though we thus speak. (KJV)
pepeismeqa de peri umwn
agaphtoi ta kreittona kai ecomena swthriaV ei kai outwV laloumen
(TR)
A better translation of the word
peiyw
(inward certainty) would be that they are convinced or certain of
something better than that false assumption he described previously and
of the things that come with salvation. He then goes on to say that God
is not unjust or forgetful of all the good things we did in the past and
says they (the apostles?) desire that we continue through faith and
patience to do those good things in the future according to (or because
of) THE FULL ASSURANCE OF HOPE (plhrojorian
thV elpidoV)
and immediately I question what full assurance there is if we have
to worry about losing our salvation. Where is the full assurance in that
if it depends on what we do? None- in fact, you can have full assurance
we will screw it up if it depends on us just like I have, right? The
Greek word for full assurance is made of of two other Greek words. I
digress but do want to throw in some information on those two words...
plhroforia,
from plhrhv
( replete, or covered over; by analogy, complete:--full) and
forew
(to have a burden, i.e. (by analogy) to wear as clothing or a constant
accompaniment:
If we lose our salvation at any point then that's not full assurance,
that's ZERO assurance. It is nothing more than work your butt off so you
don't lose it. At best it is assurance that depends our thought and
actions that none of us can always contrlol. And then the writer goes on
to talk about the unchangeability of God, the power and the promises,
seemingly as argument that God cannot save you and then decide you are
not saved- the things He does are immutable, never-changing.
So let me run away from the desire to visit more scripture to support
this and get back to what we wanted to start with- scriptures that say
we are in danger of losing our salvation...
If we DEFILE THE TEMPLE (THE BODY) HE WILL DESTROY
US. (1 Cor. 3:16-17; 6:19-20;
Heb. 12:15).
We always have to look at scripture in context, and never take it out of
context. That is the major reason we have many denominations of
Christianity. So to study this first verse, we have to look at the whole
chapter. Now the first thing that pops in my head is actually 2 things.
One, is that this to me is the ultimate chapter and book to describe
what really happens we we become lost in sin as believers. It is
simultaneously describing what most Christians today are missing the
most. I think for the sake of brevity, I will only address it's point in
the argument and revisit this later.
1Co 3:17 If any man defile the temple of God, him
shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.
{defile: or, destroy} (KJV)
ei tiV ton naon tou qeou
jqeirei jqerei touton o
qeoV o gar naoV tou qeou agioV estin oitineV este umeiV (TR)
First of
all, this is the only KJV example of 'destroy' being translated from
this Greek word, every other translation is "corrupt " ,
but does God corrupt us? No. And notice that these words in the Greek
for corrupt and destroy are exactly the same in the Greek. I cannot
stress enough the benefits of familiarizing yourself with Greek. You can
see the dichotomy of this statement and admittedly I don't understand
the Greek enough to know for sure how this should be correctly
translated.. should we say, "If
any man defile the temple of God, him shall God defile",
or "If any man destroy
the temple of God, him shall God destroy"
And look
just two verses prior when Paul says, ...
1Co 3:15 If any man's
work shall be burned, he
shall suffer loss: but he
himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire. (KJV)
So if anyone
thinks I should take a closer look at this scripture I certainly will,
but I am sufficiently convinced that this scripture cannot be used to
suggest I have lost my salvation.
If we OBEY
SIN we will DIE spiritually! (Romans 6:16-23).
Now I copied
this list of scriptures from a website saying that I lost my salvation
as a point of reference, But just simply reading these scriptures
warrants no rebuttal so I will just paste the scriptures for you to read
and you can decide for yourself. Again, if you would like me to revisit
it let me know. The only thing that I WILL say is that all three
previous chapters are talking about our freedom, our righteousness and
our grace from the penalty of sin. This verse comes in after a huge
dissertation on eternal salvation and it is meant in my opinion to
warn us against taking our eternal salvation for granted.
Ro 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves
servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin
unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have
obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of
righteousness.
19 I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your
flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and
to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to
righteousness unto holiness.
20 For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from
righteousness.
21 What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed?
for the end of those things is death.
22 But now being made free from sin, and become
servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end
everlasting life.
23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God
is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
(KJV)
By NOT
ABIDING IN THE FAITH we shall be cut off! (Romans 11:11-32).
Again this
seems to need little commentary
By being
REMOVED FROM Christ! (Gal. 1:6-7).
By becoming
ENTANGLED AGAIN with the yoke of bondage! (Gal. 5:1).
By FALLING
FROM GRACE! (Gal. 5:4). CHRIST BECOMES OF NO EFFECT FOR US!
OK, I love
this one, because first of all, this guy is saying
By WALKING
AFTER THE FLESH and not the Spirit! (Romans 8:1; 8:4; 8:12-13; Gal.
5:10, 20).
By not
keeping your body under and becoming a CASTAWAY. (1 Cor. 9:27).
By ERRING
FROM THE FAITH. (1 Tim. 6:9-10, 21).
By DEPARTING
FROM THE FAITH! (1 Tim. 4:1).
By having
your faith OVERTHROWN! (2 Tim. 2:17-18).
By CASTING
OFF your faith! (1 Tim. 5:11-15; 6:19-21; 2 Tim. 2:17;, 18; 4:10).
If we DENY HIM, HE WILL DENY US! (2 Tim. 2:12).